许道军:克修兄,你曾说过,谈及诗歌的现代性,首先要搞清楚“现代”是一个什么样的“时代”以及我们跟这个“时代”的关系,其中最重要的问题是我们如何跟这个时代相处,而这个问题又似乎可以转化为,如何与我们置身其中的城市相处。这是一个非常有意思的论断,提供了一个理解“现代性”的新视角,或者说将“现代性”落到了实处,你能具体阐释一下这个观念吗?谭克修:促使新诗从旧体诗里破壳而出的内驱力,是其为应对一个急剧变化的新时代的现代性要 Xu Dajun: Ke Xiu-xiong, you said that when it comes to the modernity of poetry, we must first find out what kind of “age” “modernism” is and how we relate to this “age”, among which The most important question is how we get along with this era, and the problem seems to translate into how we get along with the cities in which we live. This is a very interesting conclusion that provides a new perspective on understanding “modernity ” or that “modernity ” is implemented. Can you elaborate on this idea? Tan Kexiu: Promote new poem from the old The internal driving force breaking the shell in the body poem is the response to the modernity of a rapidly changing new era