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Host: Back now at 8:21 with the inside scoop on the college application process, timely advice with a deadline to be considered for early decision, at some schools coming up on November 1st. Well, Ted Spencer is the executive director of undergraduate admissions at the University of Michigan. Barbara Gill, is the assistant vice president for undergraduate admissions and enrollment planning at the University of Maryland, and Seth Allen is the vice president and dean of admissions and financial aid at Pomona College in Pomona, California. Good morning to ye of big titles.
Interviewees: Good morning.
Host: Good morning to you. Let me ask you the question that students ask pretty much all the time, the number one asked question. How does one make the application stand out? Who wants it first? Go, Ted.
主持人：现在是8点21分，我们回到节目中针对大学录取过程做一些深入报道。一些大学提前录取批次的申请截止日期是11月1号，针对截止日期，我们提供及时的建议。好了，欢迎特德·斯潘塞（密歇根大学本科生录取部的执行理事），巴巴拉·吉尔（马里兰大学本科生录取以及招生计划办公室副校长助理），以及塞思·艾伦（加利福尼亚州波莫纳的波莫纳学院副校长及招生和助学部主任）。早上好，各位大人物。
被访者：早上好。
主持人：你们早上好。我来问你们一个学生几乎一直在问的，询问度最高的问题。怎么样才能让自己的申请脱颖而出？谁想先说？你来吧，特德。
Ted Spencer: Well, let me just start. I think one of the first things students need to do, is to do well in school, take great courses, challenge the 1)curriculum in your high school. And then, do as many things as you can outside of the school, in terms of activities, as long as they’re meaningful.
Host: Right.
Ted: And then write a great essay. Tell us who you are.
Host: OK. That’s a lot! What’s the best thing, what’s the thing that makes an application stand out?
Barbara Gill: Well, the most important thing is to stand out in a positive way: meet the deadlines, follow the directions. And then also students need to be reflective. They need to think about themselves and they need to be genuine in their application. We want to hear their voices when they apply.
Host: OK. Seth?
Seth Allen: I think students need to think about a kind of focus for the application. They don’t have to be all things to the school. They need to be the thing that really reflects best about them and that’ll help them stand out in the process.
Host: Does applying early help or hurt?
Seth: Neither. Applying early is a choice that some students may make. I think it’s the wrong choice when students decide they’re going to apply early. They just don’t know where but they know they want to apply early. This needs to be a thoughtful process. It’s an important one. And if students take the time to really do the research, then whether they apply early or they apply later on in regular decision, that’ll be the best choice for them.
特德·斯潘塞：那么，我先说吧。我觉得学生的首要任务之一就是在学校里好好表现，上一些高质量的课程，对你的高中课程发起冲击。然后，在课外时间尽量多做点事情，比如参加一些活动，只要它们是有意义的。
主持人：没错。
特德：然后就是写一封很棒的申请信了。告诉我们你是谁。
主持人：好的。要求得够多了。让一封申请信能够脱颖而出的是什么呢？巴巴拉·吉尔：嗯，最首要的一点就是要以积极的态度突出自己：按时递交申请，按照指示进行。而且，学生需要深思熟虑。他们要好好思考自身，要在申请中表达真实的自己。我们想在他们的申请中了解真正的他们。
主持人：好的。塞思？
塞思·艾伦：我认为学生应该考虑让自己的申请有某种重点。在学校里，他们不必样样都优秀。他们需要展示那些自己最优秀的方面，这样才能帮助他们在申请过程中脱颖而出。
主持人：申请提前录取批次有好处还是没好处？
塞思：既没好处，也没坏处。一些学生也许会早早地申请。但我觉得学生决定过早地申请并不是明智之举。他们其实并不知道自己真正想申请什么学校，但就是想早早申请。这是一个需要深思熟虑的过程，它很重要。如果学生花时间真正做一些调查，再决定提前申请，或稍后在常规录取时申请，那对于他们都会是比较明智的选择。
Host: Biggest mistake, Barbara?
Barbara: Students not using their own voice. Not spending enough time going through the process. And not paying attention to their guidance counselor.
Host: OK. What’s the part of the 2)transcript that you give most of the attention to?
Barbara: Quality of courses.
Ted: Yes, I agree.
Host: During their high school years?
Ted: Yes.
Host: Quality of courses? Agree?
Seth: Quality of courses.
Host: All of you?
Ted: And trends. Upward trends are always better.
Host: OK. So even if you have bad grades in your sophomore or freshman year?
Ted: Sure, sure.
Host: OK, upwards trends is a good thing. OK, also standardized tests. What if you don’t have a good set of scores right off the top?
Seth: I think it’s important that students then understand they have other opportunities to create a better application. So rather than obsessing about standardized test scores which really should never take more than twice, once to get it over with, and figure out what it’s all about. The second time really to…to do their best on the test.
主持人：最严重的错误是什么，巴巴拉？
巴巴拉：学生没有真实地表达自己。没有在申请过程中花费足够的时间。而且没有关注他们指导员的建议。
主持人：好的。你们会最看重成绩单的哪个部分？
巴巴拉：课程的成绩。
特德：是的，我同意。
主持人：在他们的高中期间？
特德：是的。
主持人：课程成绩？赞同吗？
塞思：是课程成绩。
主持人：所有人都赞同？
特德：还有趋势。上升趋势总好一点。
主持人：好的。所以即便你高中头两年的成绩不怎么样也无所谓？
特德：当然，当然。
主持人：好的，上升趋势也是个好事情。好，当然还有各种标准化测验了。如果你并没有拔尖的好成绩怎么办？
塞思：我认为，学生要明白他们还有很多别的机会让自己的申请更出色，这一点很重要。不要一直沉迷在标准化测试的分数中，那些标准化测验其实最好不要参加两次以上，第一次走个过场，熟悉一下它们究竟考什么。第二次，在考试中好好发挥。
Host: But what if you get it wrong, horribly two times? You can do it a third time, right?
Seth: Oh, you absolutely can do it a third time, but you need to decide is your energy best spent on trying to improve scores or is it best spent on thinking about your essay, who to write recommendations for you, what you want to say about your activities outside of class.
Host: What do you want to look for in the essay, Barbara?
Barbara: Oh, we want to hear their voices. We want to get a sense of who they are. We want them to dig deep and not necessarily try to tell us too much. I think that’s one of the mistakes students make, is they try to tell us too much. They ought to pick one topic which is themselves, and then try to dig deep into that topic so we get a better sense of who they are.
Host: Tough age to ask that of kids.
Barbara: Absolutely.
Host: What would you say about recommendations? Because that’s…that’s an interesting thing.
Ted: It…it really is. I think that too often students forget about the whole principle of asking someone who really likes you to write a recommendation. And so I think that that’s where you should start.
Host: All right, somebody who likes you. Well, do me a favor next time, could you make the process any easier? Ted Spencer, Barbara Gill and Seth Allen.
主持人：但是如果你两次都考砸了呢？你还是可以考第三次的，对吧？
塞思：哦，你当然可以考第三次。但是你得考虑好你到底是要把自己的精力花在提高分数上，还是把精力放在仔细斟酌你的申请信上，想想找谁为你写推荐信，关于课外活动你想写些什么内容。
主持人：你想从申请信上看到些什么，巴巴拉？
巴巴拉：哦，我们想看到真实的他们。我们想对他们是谁有个概念。我们希望他们能在某些方面深刻地挖掘自己，而不是告诉我们太多信息。学生们会尽量告诉我们很多事情，我认为这是他们犯的错误之一。他们应该选取
关于自己的一个方面，然后尽量针对这个方面提供一些深入的信息，这样我们会更好地了
解到他们是怎样的人。
主持人：在他们的年龄要求这一点，实属不易。
巴巴拉：确实如此。
主持人：关于推荐信你们有什么说的吗？因为那蛮有趣的。
特德：的确如此。我觉得学生常常忘记一个大原则，那就是请一位真正欣赏你的人为你写推荐信。我觉得你该从这里开始。主持人：没错，一个真正欣赏你的人。嗯，下一次可不可以帮我个忙，把这申请过程简单化？我们的嘉宾是特德·斯潘塞，巴巴拉·吉尔以及塞思·艾伦。
翻译：小寒
Interviewees: Good morning.
Host: Good morning to you. Let me ask you the question that students ask pretty much all the time, the number one asked question. How does one make the application stand out? Who wants it first? Go, Ted.
主持人：现在是8点21分，我们回到节目中针对大学录取过程做一些深入报道。一些大学提前录取批次的申请截止日期是11月1号，针对截止日期，我们提供及时的建议。好了，欢迎特德·斯潘塞（密歇根大学本科生录取部的执行理事），巴巴拉·吉尔（马里兰大学本科生录取以及招生计划办公室副校长助理），以及塞思·艾伦（加利福尼亚州波莫纳的波莫纳学院副校长及招生和助学部主任）。早上好，各位大人物。
被访者：早上好。
主持人：你们早上好。我来问你们一个学生几乎一直在问的，询问度最高的问题。怎么样才能让自己的申请脱颖而出？谁想先说？你来吧，特德。
Ted Spencer: Well, let me just start. I think one of the first things students need to do, is to do well in school, take great courses, challenge the 1)curriculum in your high school. And then, do as many things as you can outside of the school, in terms of activities, as long as they’re meaningful.
Host: Right.
Ted: And then write a great essay. Tell us who you are.
Host: OK. That’s a lot! What’s the best thing, what’s the thing that makes an application stand out?
Barbara Gill: Well, the most important thing is to stand out in a positive way: meet the deadlines, follow the directions. And then also students need to be reflective. They need to think about themselves and they need to be genuine in their application. We want to hear their voices when they apply.
Host: OK. Seth?
Seth Allen: I think students need to think about a kind of focus for the application. They don’t have to be all things to the school. They need to be the thing that really reflects best about them and that’ll help them stand out in the process.
Host: Does applying early help or hurt?
Seth: Neither. Applying early is a choice that some students may make. I think it’s the wrong choice when students decide they’re going to apply early. They just don’t know where but they know they want to apply early. This needs to be a thoughtful process. It’s an important one. And if students take the time to really do the research, then whether they apply early or they apply later on in regular decision, that’ll be the best choice for them.
特德·斯潘塞：那么，我先说吧。我觉得学生的首要任务之一就是在学校里好好表现，上一些高质量的课程，对你的高中课程发起冲击。然后，在课外时间尽量多做点事情，比如参加一些活动，只要它们是有意义的。
主持人：没错。
特德：然后就是写一封很棒的申请信了。告诉我们你是谁。
主持人：好的。要求得够多了。让一封申请信能够脱颖而出的是什么呢？巴巴拉·吉尔：嗯，最首要的一点就是要以积极的态度突出自己：按时递交申请，按照指示进行。而且，学生需要深思熟虑。他们要好好思考自身，要在申请中表达真实的自己。我们想在他们的申请中了解真正的他们。
主持人：好的。塞思？
塞思·艾伦：我认为学生应该考虑让自己的申请有某种重点。在学校里，他们不必样样都优秀。他们需要展示那些自己最优秀的方面，这样才能帮助他们在申请过程中脱颖而出。
主持人：申请提前录取批次有好处还是没好处？
塞思：既没好处，也没坏处。一些学生也许会早早地申请。但我觉得学生决定过早地申请并不是明智之举。他们其实并不知道自己真正想申请什么学校，但就是想早早申请。这是一个需要深思熟虑的过程，它很重要。如果学生花时间真正做一些调查，再决定提前申请，或稍后在常规录取时申请，那对于他们都会是比较明智的选择。
Host: Biggest mistake, Barbara?
Barbara: Students not using their own voice. Not spending enough time going through the process. And not paying attention to their guidance counselor.
Host: OK. What’s the part of the 2)transcript that you give most of the attention to?
Barbara: Quality of courses.
Ted: Yes, I agree.
Host: During their high school years?
Ted: Yes.
Host: Quality of courses? Agree?
Seth: Quality of courses.
Host: All of you?
Ted: And trends. Upward trends are always better.
Host: OK. So even if you have bad grades in your sophomore or freshman year?
Ted: Sure, sure.
Host: OK, upwards trends is a good thing. OK, also standardized tests. What if you don’t have a good set of scores right off the top?
Seth: I think it’s important that students then understand they have other opportunities to create a better application. So rather than obsessing about standardized test scores which really should never take more than twice, once to get it over with, and figure out what it’s all about. The second time really to…to do their best on the test.
主持人：最严重的错误是什么，巴巴拉？
巴巴拉：学生没有真实地表达自己。没有在申请过程中花费足够的时间。而且没有关注他们指导员的建议。
主持人：好的。你们会最看重成绩单的哪个部分？
巴巴拉：课程的成绩。
特德：是的，我同意。
主持人：在他们的高中期间？
特德：是的。
主持人：课程成绩？赞同吗？
塞思：是课程成绩。
主持人：所有人都赞同？
特德：还有趋势。上升趋势总好一点。
主持人：好的。所以即便你高中头两年的成绩不怎么样也无所谓？
特德：当然，当然。
主持人：好的，上升趋势也是个好事情。好，当然还有各种标准化测验了。如果你并没有拔尖的好成绩怎么办？
塞思：我认为，学生要明白他们还有很多别的机会让自己的申请更出色，这一点很重要。不要一直沉迷在标准化测试的分数中，那些标准化测验其实最好不要参加两次以上，第一次走个过场，熟悉一下它们究竟考什么。第二次，在考试中好好发挥。
Host: But what if you get it wrong, horribly two times? You can do it a third time, right?
Seth: Oh, you absolutely can do it a third time, but you need to decide is your energy best spent on trying to improve scores or is it best spent on thinking about your essay, who to write recommendations for you, what you want to say about your activities outside of class.
Host: What do you want to look for in the essay, Barbara?
Barbara: Oh, we want to hear their voices. We want to get a sense of who they are. We want them to dig deep and not necessarily try to tell us too much. I think that’s one of the mistakes students make, is they try to tell us too much. They ought to pick one topic which is themselves, and then try to dig deep into that topic so we get a better sense of who they are.
Host: Tough age to ask that of kids.
Barbara: Absolutely.
Host: What would you say about recommendations? Because that’s…that’s an interesting thing.
Ted: It…it really is. I think that too often students forget about the whole principle of asking someone who really likes you to write a recommendation. And so I think that that’s where you should start.
Host: All right, somebody who likes you. Well, do me a favor next time, could you make the process any easier? Ted Spencer, Barbara Gill and Seth Allen.
主持人：但是如果你两次都考砸了呢？你还是可以考第三次的，对吧？
塞思：哦，你当然可以考第三次。但是你得考虑好你到底是要把自己的精力花在提高分数上，还是把精力放在仔细斟酌你的申请信上，想想找谁为你写推荐信，关于课外活动你想写些什么内容。
主持人：你想从申请信上看到些什么，巴巴拉？
巴巴拉：哦，我们想看到真实的他们。我们想对他们是谁有个概念。我们希望他们能在某些方面深刻地挖掘自己，而不是告诉我们太多信息。学生们会尽量告诉我们很多事情，我认为这是他们犯的错误之一。他们应该选取
关于自己的一个方面，然后尽量针对这个方面提供一些深入的信息，这样我们会更好地了
解到他们是怎样的人。
主持人：在他们的年龄要求这一点，实属不易。
巴巴拉：确实如此。
主持人：关于推荐信你们有什么说的吗？因为那蛮有趣的。
特德：的确如此。我觉得学生常常忘记一个大原则，那就是请一位真正欣赏你的人为你写推荐信。我觉得你该从这里开始。主持人：没错，一个真正欣赏你的人。嗯，下一次可不可以帮我个忙，把这申请过程简单化？我们的嘉宾是特德·斯潘塞，巴巴拉·吉尔以及塞思·艾伦。
翻译：小寒